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Title: Make total miner open source
Post by: Jaz on March 30, 2019, 11:51:40 AM
Make it open source so that someone else can develop it!

Nothing for Craig to lose, he's unable to keep developing it and will be removing it from the steam store anyways.

Make it happen so we can potentially have a future with this amazing game!

Releasing unfinished work with this such as animations for unlockables would be amazing too... Again, no down side.
Title: Re: Make total miner open source
Post by: CDJ on March 30, 2019, 02:42:41 PM
Completely agree with this, i feel this would be best for everyone. Please Craig, i don't want to leave this game behind.
Title: Re: Make total miner open source
Post by: Redsparx on March 30, 2019, 03:49:46 PM
He Is!?!?! NOOOO!
Title: Re: Make total miner open source
Post by: Fuertey on March 30, 2019, 09:31:54 PM
Completely agree with this, i feel this would be best for everyone. Please Craig, i don't want to leave this game behind.

Best for everyone? Not best for Craig if he doesn't want to make it open source.

Have any of you stopped to think that it's this "I want this" and "we need that" mentality & impatience that's caused this in the first place?

Give the guy a break. It's been 24 hours and you're already trying to dictate what he should do with the game he created and worked so hard on.

You think that's helping him at all? Stop thinking about yourselves and give him the time he needs. There's 8 weeks yet until it's pulled from Steam.

But of course, none of you will. You'll just continue to make things harder.
Title: Re: Make total miner open source
Post by: Jaz on March 30, 2019, 11:08:19 PM
Completely agree with this, i feel this would be best for everyone. Please Craig, i don't want to leave this game behind.

Best for everyone? Not best for Craig if he doesn't want to make it open source.

Have any of you stopped to think that it's this "I want this" and "we need that" mentality & impatience that's caused this in the first place?

Give the guy a break. It's been 24 hours and you're already trying to dictate what he should do with the game he created and worked so hard on.

You think that's helping him at all? Stop thinking about yourselves and give him the time he needs. There's 8 weeks yet until it's pulled from Steam.

But of course, none of you will. You'll just continue to make things harder.
What are you talking about?

Obviously it's his say, no one is disagreeing with that.

If he says no, everyone will respect that. But what's wrong with showing our interest in having the game live on?

It's going to be pulled from steam, it won't be developed on anymore - He will not be making any more money from this game. - It's going nowhere now, confirmed by Craig himself.

If it's made open-source, there's opportunities there, yes I want that to happen with the potential of things possibly raising to their former glory, but no one is disrespecting anyone here by making a suggestion.

The poll is created as a way of showing how many people would like this game to be given more opportunities.
Title: Re: Make total miner open source
Post by: MrMarooca on March 31, 2019, 12:56:10 AM
Best for everyone? Not best for Craig if he doesn't want to make it open source.

There's no realistic reason for the codebase remaining closed-source if Craig intends to pull it from the store.

Benefits of closed source software:
* Centralization
* Security through obscurity
* Easier to market and profit

None of these apply to TM anymore. An open-source TM would allow people interested in gamedev/programming to learn from a successful game, and contribute code to help fix bugs here and there/potentially implement features.
Title: Re: Make total miner open source
Post by: Craig on March 31, 2019, 03:10:24 AM
I don't have anything against making it open source.

Though I doubt it would be useful as a learning tool. Xbox 360 optimizations pervade (and massively complicate) the entire code base, possibly up to 75% of the code is written the way it is in order to have the game run well (or run at all) on the 360. Large chunks of code, often very complex, often multi-threaded, exist solely as 360 optimizations. Particularly around dealing with the limited 360 RAM, the 360 garbage collector and the 360 file system. Most of the code doesn't make sense in the context of PC development.

To put it another way, if I was to write the program again for the PC, the code base would be very very different, and a lot simpler.

I'll look into what kind of "ongoing" effort is required to open the source on one of my Github repositories.
Title: Re: Make total miner open source
Post by: Redsparx on March 31, 2019, 04:40:01 AM
I do have to give credit to Craig. He has tried his best to keep working on the game. I have to respect the fact that the game is not going to be around much longer.
If it was open source, like Scp containment breach, it would allow for people to try their hand at making mods for it. Which could give me a chance to improve my C++ / C /C# skills. JS can only do me so much good.

Craig, if you are reading this, I am very proud of your service to us with your game. You have gave me the creativity and thousands of hours to create scripts of mass destruction and gun fights. You have made my friends rage and laugh. Have a good time and hit my head with the controllers at the same time. I am very upset with your decision, but I have to respect it. I understand that you have lost the drive. Iím sure you understand our point of view too. I hope that you continue down the road knowing that you made a difference in all of us. And my sore head too...
Title: Re: Make total miner open source
Post by: verisimilitudedude on April 01, 2019, 11:10:59 AM
Absolutely. I have contributed nearly 6k hours to the game and reconfigured multiple worlds to be well established on the PC. I did this out of expectancy that the promise of multiplayer being completed would come true, and much excitement. I trust that we as a community have waited much too long for multiplayer, and other updates and features for it to be tossed into the grave. We have stuck by your side and been extremely patient with you (most of the time   :P) in hopes for a greater TM future. It would be a shame if it wasn't open sourced.
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Title: Re: Make total miner open source
Post by: Kinetic plasma on April 02, 2019, 11:13:05 AM
Such an amazing game all put together by mostly one guy.
This is really a great game and there's plenty of young folks with a passion for this game with great ideas for this game.
Craig if you're reading this first of all thank you for everything you've done for Total Miner and the community. I'm becoming the age of an adult now and finishing highschool school soon. Looking back at my childhood the game that would pop up most in my mind is Total Miner. Total Miner was definitely my favorite game on the 360 and possibly of all the time. I remember not caring and refusing to get an Xbox One for the longest time because it didn't have that one simple Indie game we all love. I can talk about this game until you fall asleep but that's not the point.
Many gamers including myself would love for this game to be open source.
Most games now a days are only made for the money. Total Miner was a game made for the players to enjoy a good game. Games are only getting worse so please let's try to keep the good games we have.
Title: Re: Make total miner open source
Post by: Nefty on April 02, 2019, 01:21:55 PM
Best for everyone? Not best for Craig if he doesn't want to make it open source.

Have any of you stopped to think that it's this "I want this" and "we need that" mentality & impatience that's caused this in the first place?

Give the guy a break. It's been 24 hours and you're already trying to dictate what he should do with the game he created and worked so hard on.

You think that's helping him at all? Stop thinking about yourselves and give him the time he needs. There's 8 weeks yet until it's pulled from Steam.

But of course, none of you will. You'll just continue to make things harder.

So holier than thou. How dare anyone give a avocado about this game right? 
Title: Re: Make total miner open source
Post by: Fuertey on April 02, 2019, 01:36:32 PM
So holier than thou. How dare anyone give a avocado about this game right? 

I never said no one should care about the game. Just that there's always other people involved that may have a differing point of view and that people should stop just thinking about what they want (or think they deserve and are entitled to).

But feel free to continue trying to cause an argument after Craig has said he has nothing against making the game open source thus rendering my first post irrelevant.
Title: Re: Make total miner open source
Post by: Sexy Hippo on April 02, 2019, 05:10:25 PM
I've had so many memories with this game. I was sad to see the update Craig had posted. Hopefully all works out well with making the game open source. Would love to be apart of TM: Reforged or whatever it ends up being called.
Title: Re: Make total miner open source
Post by: Jaz on April 02, 2019, 08:41:21 PM
I've had so many memories with this game. I was sad to see the update Craig had posted. Hopefully all works out well with making the game open source. Would love to be apart of TM: Reforged or whatever it ends up being called.

TOTAL MINER: REFORGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Amazing new name if it goes anywhere!
Title: Re: Make total miner open source
Post by: STARKILLER7851 on April 03, 2019, 07:52:04 PM
I would enjoy the availability of an open source TM:F. My original suggestion was to find a team to continue where Craig left off, but to make the game open source is also a good solution. This way, both parties are happy, and a modding group can work to finish the game on their own volition.
Title: Re: Make total miner open source
Post by: HaloFan6234 on April 04, 2019, 02:38:16 PM
Seems like a good idea though do we know total miner would change in a good way or a bad way. People have different ideas some good some bad. Honestly whether or not this game gets multiplayer ill still play it no doubt
Title: Re: Make total miner open source
Post by: Hayden on April 05, 2019, 01:40:42 AM
Quote from: Jaz

TOTAL MINER: REFORGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Amazing new name if it goes anywhere!
This was my very first idea when Justyn and I discussed a revival project, but he says he thinks its stupid, if it doesn't happen feel free to blame @Justyn
Title: Re: Make total miner open source
Post by: Lee155 on April 07, 2019, 01:03:42 PM
Currently I am sitting A-Level Art alongside my other A-levels. Within Art I get to draw my friends as realistic as possible, using pencil. Quite recently I noticed a really cute girl within one of my classes, I can barely bring myself to speak to her so I thought I'll just ask to draw her so that we can have something to talk about. Some time later, after class I saw her, I caught up to her and very awkwardly asked her if I could draw her, she shouted at me "no". An embarrassingly painful experience which permanently changed me. Finding out that the game I've played since I was eleven years old (am now eighteen) is becoming abandon-ware, hurts me, just as much as that girl shouting "no" at me, having to let go of all those memories of "cobblestone city", my parkour map, and my mining map, 7 whole years of just memories, gone, in an instant. Furthermore not being able to ever play this game with my friends, hurts even more. I love this game, I love the people I played it with and the people I met.

I hope you can understand why I want this game to become open-source.
Title: Re: Make total miner open source
Post by: TheDestinedCrab on April 07, 2019, 03:17:26 PM
Currently I am sitting A-Level Art alongside my other A-levels. Within Art I get to draw my friends as realistic as possible, using pencil. Quite recently I noticed a really cute girl within one of my classes, I can barely bring myself to speak to her so I thought I'll just ask to draw her so that we can have something to talk about. Some time later, after class I saw her, I caught up to her and very awkwardly asked her if I could draw her, she shouted at me "no". An embarrassingly painful experience which permanently changed me. Finding out that the game I've played since I was eleven years old (am now eighteen) is becoming abandon-ware, hurts me, just as much as that girl shouting "no" at me, having to let go of all those memories of "cobblestone city", my parkour map, and my mining map, 7 whole years of just memories, gone, in an instant. Furthermore not being able to ever play this game with my friends, hurts even more. I love this game, I love the people I played it with and the people I met.

I hope you can understand why I want this game to become open-source.

Wow that was deep man. xD
Title: Re: Make total miner open source
Post by: Craig on April 08, 2019, 07:12:49 PM
I'm not really liking full open source at the moment because I fear it will fragment the game, i.e. several people will copy and maintain their own separate versions of the game, causing several different/diverging versions, all downloadable at different locations, and it won't really help anyone except those individuals.

Possibly a better option is for me to leave the game on Steam as a free game, and make the source code public on my Github account, (or maybe the TM Community Github account (https://github.com/TotalMiner)). This would retain an 'official' version of the game, and allow anyone to collaborate (make changes) to that version of the game and hopefully reduce the problem above. I would also have to allow a number of people access to the Steamworks page so that they can upload new versions to Steam as they are developed.

Also hopefully we can continue hosting the forum.

Title: Re: Make total miner open source
Post by: Jaz on April 08, 2019, 09:06:41 PM
I'm not really liking full open source at the moment because I fear it will fragment the game, i.e. several people will copy and maintain their own separate versions of the game, causing several different/diverging versions, all downloadable at different locations, and it won't really help anyone except those individuals.

Possibly a better option is for me to leave the game on Steam as a free game, and make the source code public on my Github account, (or maybe the TM Community Github account (https://github.com/TotalMiner)). This would retain an 'official' version of the game, and allow anyone to collaborate (make changes) to that version of the game and hopefully reduce the problem above. I would also have to allow a number of people access to the Steamworks page so that they can upload new versions to Steam as they are developed.

Also hopefully we can continue hosting the forum.


Not a bad idea.

There should definitely remain an official version, perhaps make the first person to create a version with multiplayer the suggested version, that way everyone knows where to go to, and it can also be available on the steam page?

You never know, it might even give you some more inspiration in the future if the community grows.
Title: Re: Make total miner open source
Post by: Craig on April 08, 2019, 10:03:07 PM
perhaps make the first person to create a version with multiplayer the suggested version
Well the idea is we shouldn't have to do or worry about that. By leaving the game on Steam, it should be obvious enough that that's the best version to add anything significant to.

Otherwise there might be a scenario where different people are trying to add multi-player to their own individual copies. But that's not so good for the community. It would be better if those individuals actually worked together on a single version.
Title: Re: Make total miner open source
Post by: crazytater94 on April 09, 2019, 12:08:04 AM
@Craig, Do you really have anything to lose if you keep the game up in the steam store?

I have a few people I still want to introduce into the game, as modding still allows me to produce "updates" of my own, and have a good time in the process.

If there ever comes a time where you did feel the need to add something, the game would still be on the market, and you could update at any time.
Title: Re: Make total miner open source
Post by: DBZWii09 on April 11, 2019, 04:07:30 AM
i have high doubts the Epic Games store would also want to pick up Total Miner if it went open source. just saying
Title: Re: Make total miner open source
Post by: Jaz on April 11, 2019, 11:28:32 PM
i have high doubts the Epic Games store would also want to pick up Total Miner if it went open source. just saying
High doubts? - I'd assume so as this wasn't even going to be attempted anyway.
Title: Re: Make total miner open source
Post by: Lee155 on April 12, 2019, 10:01:33 AM
i have high doubts the Epic Games store would also want to pick up Total Miner if it went open source. just saying

Why are you bringing Epic Games into this? So random... randomness like this annoys me, seriously what made you think that anyone desires for Total Miner to be picked up by Epic Games. For the longest time, the community has simply wanted access to the game on PC and multiplayer, where did you get the idea that mentioning Epic Games would help any of us, or even think it's worthy of mentioning, seriously explain the thought process behind why you mentioned Epic Games. I really want to know why, because it is one of the most random things you could have brought up. Explain, or pay for your crimes against ... and it's people.
Title: Re: Make total miner open source
Post by: DBZWii09 on April 16, 2019, 09:53:18 PM
i have high doubts the Epic Games store would also want to pick up Total Miner if it went open source. just saying

Why are you bringing Epic Games into this? So random... randomness like this annoys me, seriously what made you think that anyone desires for Total Miner to be picked up by Epic Games. For the longest time, the community has simply wanted access to the game on PC and multiplayer, where did you get the idea that mentioning Epic Games would help any of us, or even think it's worthy of mentioning, seriously explain the thought process behind why you mentioned Epic Games. I really want to know why, because it is one of the most random things you could have brought up. Explain, or pay for your crimes against ... and it's people.
its a joke, calm down.
Title: Re: Make total miner open source
Post by: Spark on April 17, 2019, 08:19:18 AM
i have high doubts the Epic Games store would also want to pick up Total Miner if it went open source. just saying

Why are you bringing Epic Games into this? So random... randomness like this annoys me, seriously what made you think that anyone desires for Total Miner to be picked up by Epic Games. For the longest time, the community has simply wanted access to the game on PC and multiplayer, where did you get the idea that mentioning Epic Games would help any of us, or even think it's worthy of mentioning, seriously explain the thought process behind why you mentioned Epic Games. I really want to know why, because it is one of the most random things you could have brought up. Explain, or pay for your crimes against ... and it's people.
its a joke, calm down.
So you posted a joke in a particular serious topic and then you pretend people to calm down because you were joking.

Of course they don't. Even if they get the joke, they would still get annoyed (I did) because you posted something so random in a thread where everyone is serious.

If I were you, I would've thought 2/3 times before posting a joke in a particular topic to avoid any arguments and keeping it serious.
Title: Re: Make total miner open source
Post by: Jaz on April 17, 2019, 09:55:21 PM
Keep the topic on the rails please.
Title: Re: Make total miner open source
Post by: ACOGxx sandMan on April 22, 2019, 06:35:52 PM
I can under stand where Criag see coming from
Title: Re: Make total miner open source
Post by: Jaz on May 01, 2019, 07:14:58 PM
Bump
Title: Re: Make total miner open source
Post by: McBean56545 on June 23, 2019, 04:34:53 PM
I'm up for that.
Title: Re: [Game]†Make total miner open source
Post by: Auroras Calling on June 26, 2019, 12:03:09 AM
Anyone have anything to update?