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Title: Some changes to awards
Post by: bob on October 21, 2015, 04:24:54 PM
So the star award and the artist award are both criminally underused, so I've come up with some ideas to get a few more of them out in the wild.

Starting with the artist award, since a youtube award has been asked for by a bunch of people, but I'm not going to add that, since I don't want to make spending X amount of money on a capture card a requirement for getting an award, I'll toss videos in with the artist award.

In general what I'm thinking here is once a month we'll hold a vote on videos made by community members. The winner of this will get the award, as well as having their video featured on totalminer.org and I'll post it on the TM facebook also.
Obviously you'd only be able to get the award one time, but the winner would still get parts 2 & 3 should there be a repeat winner.

And another way I'm thinking about getting the award out, is when TM is coming up towards major releases, ie: 2.5, Steam, etc. We'll have a logo design competition with logos themed towards that particular event. For example, we're looking towards the Steam release, so the assignment would be to make a PC themed logo.

For the star award what I'm thinking is it becomes a replacement for MotM. 5 guides is too difficult to get as there's only so many possible guides that can be made. Obviously not held in exactly the same way as MotM, cause to be completely honest the old way of having to pick a new winner every month sucks and messed with the results as things from the beginning of the month tend to slip the mind by the end of the month.

So the new way would be, I give the award whenever I feel like it. Maybe one month there's 2 winners and the next month there is none. Maybe I award 1 every week for a month, and then nobody impresses me for a long time and nobody wins for 3 months straight. tl;dr version. No schedule, awards come when I think somebody has earned it.

Also it would free up everyone who had already won MotM to be a winner of this, as well as allow me to include active testers in the mix of potential winners. They had been excluded from winning MotM because I didn't feel like hearing the inevitable moaning and complaining about how they only won because they were a tester. So a new rule for this will be if I see whining about who won the award, that person becomes excluded from winning the award for the rest of eternity. Simple and easy, just the way I like it.

Questions, comments, concerns?
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Clerical on October 21, 2015, 04:34:52 PM
Good idea bob, And i agree, the artist award should not require a capture card, i understand that people want quality, but not everyone going to want to spend over 100$ on a video for a 2$ indie game
(Wierd Coming from someone who has spend over 250... but you get the point.)

and i like the voting, but to me when ever voting is around this community it seems to be a popularity contest. so not sure on how fair the videos will be voted.
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: bob on October 21, 2015, 04:39:02 PM
and i like the voting, but to me when ever voting is around this community it seems to be a popularity contest. so not sure on how fair the videos will be voted.

I've thought of that, I'm just keeping the specifics under my hat for the moment
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Clerical on October 21, 2015, 04:42:23 PM
I've thought of that, I'm just keeping the specifics under my hat for the moment
Good to hear. im looking forward to what the devilish bob has planed.
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Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Jack Of Shades on October 21, 2015, 04:44:04 PM
So the star award and the artist award are both criminally underused, so I've come up with some ideas to get a few more of them out in the wild.

Starting with the artist award, since a youtube award has been asked for by a bunch of people, but I'm not going to add that, since I don't want to make spending X amount of money on a capture card a requirement for getting an award, I'll toss videos in with the artist award.

In general what I'm thinking here is once a month we'll hold a vote on videos made by community members. The winner of this will get the award, as well as having their video featured on totalminer.org and I'll post it on the TM facebook also.
Obviously you'd only be able to get the award one time, but the winner would still get parts 2 & 3 should there be a repeat winner.

And another way I'm thinking about getting the award out, is when TM is coming up towards major releases, ie: 2.5, Steam, etc. We'll have a logo design competition with logos themed towards that particular event. For example, we're looking towards the Steam release, so the assignment would be to make a PC themed logo.

For the star award what I'm thinking is it becomes a replacement for MotM. 5 guides is too difficult to get as there's only so many possible guides that can be made. Obviously not held in exactly the same way as MotM, cause to be completely honest the old way of having to pick a new winner every month sucks and messed with the results as things from the beginning of the month tend to slip the mind by the end of the month.

So the new way would be, I give the award whenever I feel like it. Maybe one month there's 2 winners and the next month there is none. Maybe I award 1 every week for a month, and then nobody impresses me for a long time and nobody wins for 3 months straight. tl;dr version. No schedule, awards come when I think somebody has earned it.

Also it would free up everyone who had already won MotM to be a winner of this, as well as allow me to include active testers in the mix of potential winners. They had been excluded from winning MotM because I didn't feel like hearing the inevitable moaning and complaining about how they only won because they were a tester. So a new rule for this will be if I see whining about who won the award, that person becomes excluded from winning the award for the rest of eternity. Simple and easy, just the way I like it.

Questions, comments, concerns?

Works for me. I think muD is like the ONLY member with the Star Post award too. And only a couple folks have the Artist award. So re-altering this is definitely good news.
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Circlecat113 on October 21, 2015, 05:02:50 PM
How do you get the star and artists award?
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Jesse 2018 on October 21, 2015, 05:59:10 PM
I love the ideas bob.
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: The Gold Knight on October 21, 2015, 06:44:53 PM
...5 guides is too difficult to get as there's only so many possible guides that can be made...
Like a profile guide, eh? ::)

I'm glad to see that the artist and star awards will finally become more readily accessible, as it was getting pretty lonely. ;)

On a side note, I've noticed that there seems to be at least one pinned topic in almost every section, with very few from members that aren't bob or Craig, except for my favorite one... Graphics, which has none and could've helped out with the whole star award. ::)
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Jared on October 21, 2015, 07:29:03 PM
Guess I'll start being productive and possibly start making some Total Miner videos.
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: .ok on October 21, 2015, 07:40:07 PM
So the star award and the artist award are both criminally underused, so I've come up with some ideas to get a few more of them out in the wild.

Starting with the artist award, since a youtube award has been asked for by a bunch of people, but I'm not going to add that, since I don't want to make spending X amount of money on a capture card a requirement for getting an award, I'll toss videos in with the artist award.

In general what I'm thinking here is once a month we'll hold a vote on videos made by community members. The winner of this will get the award, as well as having their video featured on totalminer.org and I'll post it on the TM facebook also.
Obviously you'd only be able to get the award one time, but the winner would still get parts 2 & 3 should there be a repeat winner.

And another way I'm thinking about getting the award out, is when TM is coming up towards major releases, ie: 2.5, Steam, etc. We'll have a logo design competition with logos themed towards that particular event. For example, we're looking towards the Steam release, so the assignment would be to make a PC themed logo.

For the star award what I'm thinking is it becomes a replacement for MotM. 5 guides is too difficult to get as there's only so many possible guides that can be made. Obviously not held in exactly the same way as MotM, cause to be completely honest the old way of having to pick a new winner every month sucks and messed with the results as things from the beginning of the month tend to slip the mind by the end of the month.

So the new way would be, I give the award whenever I feel like it. Maybe one month there's 2 winners and the next month there is none. Maybe I award 1 every week for a month, and then nobody impresses me for a long time and nobody wins for 3 months straight. tl;dr version. No schedule, awards come when I think somebody has earned it.

Also it would free up everyone who had already won MotM to be a winner of this, as well as allow me to include active testers in the mix of potential winners. They had been excluded from winning MotM because I didn't feel like hearing the inevitable moaning and complaining about how they only won because they were a tester. So a new rule for this will be if I see whining about who won the award, that person becomes excluded from winning the award for the rest of eternity. Simple and easy, just the way I like it.

Questions, comments, concerns?
wb some kind of award thats given to the people that go alot of photo taking for the community or people's worlds
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Jesse 2018 on October 21, 2015, 07:47:32 PM
wb some kind of award thats given to the people that go alot of photo taking for the community or people's worlds
That award would also cost money and they do not want that.
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: crazytater94 on October 21, 2015, 08:13:36 PM
Great ideas Bob...

...now for you to determine a perfect unlock method for the demigods ;)
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: .ok on October 21, 2015, 08:25:24 PM
Great ideas Bob...

...now for you to determine a perfect unlock method for the demigods ;)
what if it was given out like the star award
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: bob on October 21, 2015, 08:27:24 PM
Great ideas Bob...

...now for you to determine a perfect unlock method for the demigods ;)

That's easy. A baking competition. Whoever makes the tastiest treat wins.

I of course am the only judge.
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Jesse 2018 on October 21, 2015, 08:39:01 PM
what if it was given out like the star award
It would have to then be coded in the game. and that would be difficult to keep track of.
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Gary on October 21, 2015, 09:46:27 PM
I especially like the changes to the artist award.  ::)
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: MEDUSA on November 08, 2015, 01:12:02 PM
Some examples of what impresses bob enough to win the star award? :P
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Dryym on November 08, 2015, 04:16:11 PM
Some examples of what impresses bob enough to win the star award? :P

Not asking about the star award?
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Steve on November 08, 2015, 04:49:29 PM

So the new way would be, I give the award whenever I feel like it. awards come when I think somebody has earned it.

 So a new rule for this will be if I see whining about who won the award, that person becomes excluded from winning the award for the rest of eternity. Simple and easy, just the way I like it.

Questions, comments, concerns?

No, they need a way to be obtained this is ludicrous and will only cause resentment,
Demis failed because they were done in similar fashion, your just begging for a mess tbh.
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Jesse 2018 on November 08, 2015, 04:50:57 PM
[quote author=bob link=topic=14848.msg156381#msg156381 date=1445459094

So the new way would be, I give the award whenever I feel like it. awards come when I think somebody has earned it.

 So a new rule for this will be if I see whining about who won the award, that person becomes excluded from winning the award for the rest of eternity. Simple and easy, just the way I like it.

Questions, comments, concerns?


No, they need a way to be obtained this is ludicrous and will only cause resentment
I assume it is the MotM requirements. Just will be given at random.
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Steve on November 08, 2015, 04:54:41 PM
I assume it is the MotM requirements. Just will be given at random.

 /-:
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Jesse 2018 on November 08, 2015, 04:58:29 PM
There never were set requirements for MOTH, also Its FAR from random... thats the entire idea, which it should be but not in that fashion
A member is picked once a month. For good deeds as in. Helping in the community,Being a good forum member and not causing drama.

There was requirements don't tell me there was not.
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Steve on November 08, 2015, 05:04:50 PM
A member is picked once a month. For good deeds as in. Helping in the community,Being a good forum member and not causing drama.

There was requirements don't tell me there was not.

 /-:
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Jesse 2018 on November 08, 2015, 05:08:48 PM
THERE WERE NO REQUIREMENTS

you fail to understand what a listed requirement is.
Everything is based off of the whims of a single person.

People need to employ more critical thinking around here.
I could give you a reason on how they were a good member to the community for every member but that would be a long list. Have you seen the post. Sure some of the newer winners did not have a real reason but most did and bob states the reason in the post.
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Steve on November 08, 2015, 05:11:55 PM
I could give you a reason on how they were a good member to the community for every member but that would be a long list. Have you seen the post. Sure some of the newer winners did not have a real reason but most did and bob states the reason in the post.

 :3
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Jesse 2018 on November 08, 2015, 05:13:36 PM
Why would he not just re-instate MOTM with new restrictions then? Critical thinking goes a long way
He does not want to do it monthly anymore that is why. Also Miner of the Month sounds weird for what the star poster is now.
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Steve on November 08, 2015, 05:17:54 PM
 :3
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Jesse 2018 on November 08, 2015, 05:19:22 PM
Its going to end up being a problem if its based on opinionated whims.
I still think there needs to be some basic set requirements.
Being a good forum member is the requirement. I do not see what you have a problem with.
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Steve on November 08, 2015, 05:26:01 PM
Being a good forum member is the requirement.

 :3
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Jesse 2018 on November 08, 2015, 05:29:59 PM
Thats a very childish outlook on things, Its not the way to pass out awards where there are many people involved.

If Craig knows what i'm taking about (demis being a prime example) then I'm sure he will come up with some midway compromise.

Im done talking about this.
I do not see what the problem is with this award. I am saying that's how it will be handled. At the end of the day it is bobs decision on this award not yours or mine. And to be honest you are just going to have to deal with it.
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Steve on November 08, 2015, 05:32:00 PM
And to be honest you are just going to have to deal with it.
:3
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Jesse 2018 on November 08, 2015, 05:32:51 PM
Of course, But I will Raise all Hell in the process.
It does no good to just saying.
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Steve on November 08, 2015, 05:35:05 PM
It does no good to just saying.

Bob has asked if there are any questions/comments/concerns
I have every right to say its a bad idea, cause it is.
Of course nobody has to take my word for it.

And actually it does alot of good, cause nothing would ever get changed if people did not contest bad ideas.
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Jesse 2018 on November 08, 2015, 05:37:01 PM
Bob has asked if there are any questions/comments/concerns
I have every right to say its a bad idea, cause it is.
Of course nobody has to take my word for it.
I know i am just trying to say the decision is up to bob and to allot of members the idea sounds really good.
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Steve on November 08, 2015, 05:39:05 PM
I know i am just trying to say the decision is up to bob and to allot of members.

 :3
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Jesse 2018 on November 08, 2015, 05:41:57 PM
We don't need you to tell everyone that, Thats already given, and not your place to intervene. Thats also a huge problem, pruning.
What you cut the quote first off. Second i am not intervening in anything i am stating my opinion to yours.
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Nefty on November 08, 2015, 06:17:47 PM
It does no good to just saying.

To refrain from quoting everything in this section, ill just start here. It actually does good to say its a bad idea, if he think its so. Just because he has no say in the matter doesn't mean his opinion shouldn't be valued. Personally I don't like the idea either. I feel the awards on the forums are something people fight over and brag about, like having Zeus/Testerman on a map. It only seems to fuel someone's ego rather than them accepting an award. At the same time I understand its important to reward people for encouraging and interacting with one another within the community. I'm rather indifferent on the matter, I don't mind if its there or not. But saying Steve's his attempts to show the idea is bad doesn't solve anything.
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Dryym on November 08, 2015, 06:33:04 PM
Being a good forum member is the requirement. I do not see what you have a problem with.

"Good" is very subjective, Someone may be a "Good" forum member to some people, And a "Bad" forum member to some others. They may be "Good" in certain areas, And "Bad" in certain others.

Humans are generally biased, They will see people as "Good" Or "Bad" based off their own beliefs.

If there is to be voting, I personally believe only a certain amount of people should be allowed to vote.

If it were up to me, I would make a list of people with the least amount of bias, And the most logical thinking, Then for each vote, Use a random number generator to generate anywhere between 5-11 people to vote for who gets the star award.

This method at least trys to eliminate bias as much as possible, The only bias is in the opinion of who are the people to put on initial the voting list, And the rest is as fair as i think it can be made.
If anyone sees problems with it, Be my guest and improve it.
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Nefty on November 08, 2015, 06:36:19 PM
If there is to be voting, I personally believe only a certain amount of people should be allowed to vote.

If it were up to me, I would make a list of people with the least amount of bias, And the most logical thinking, Then for each vote, Use a random number generator to generate anywhere between 5-11 people to vote for who gets the star award.

This method at least trys to eliminate bias as much as possible, The only bias is in the opinion of who are the people to put on initial the voting list, And the rest is as fair as i think it can be made.
If anyone sees problems with it, Be my guest and improve it.

At this point is the award worth the work to give out? I mean if we don't have it the forums still go on right?
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: The Gold Knight on November 08, 2015, 06:44:00 PM
We are so off topic guys. Bring this to a PM or the shoutbox.
This post is off topic. The other posts are still on the topic of awards.

To refrain from quoting everything in this section, ill just start here. It actually does good to say its a bad idea, if he think its so. Just because he has no say in the matter doesn't mean his opinion shouldn't be valued. Personally I don't like the idea either. I feel the awards on the forums are something people fight over and brag about, like having Zeus/Testerman on a map. It only seems to fuel someone's ego rather than them accepting an award. At the same time I understand its important to reward people for encouraging and interacting with one another within the community. I'm rather indifferent on the matter, I don't mind if its there or not. But saying Steve's his attempts to show the idea is bad doesn't solve anything.

Anywho, for the most part, I agree with Jeffrey(Edit: Nefty). While awards do have a feeling of accomplishment behind them, they also seem to cause quite a bit of dilemma, especially if it's one given out for unknown reasons.
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Dryym on November 08, 2015, 06:50:06 PM
At this point is the award worth the work to give out? I mean if we don't have it the forums still go on right?

I believe so. A comprehensive list of forum members who are active and unbiased/logical should only need to be made once, And tended to as members go inactive, Or others who fit the bill become active.

Depending on the amount of people on the list, It shouldn't take too long to randomly pick out 5-11 of them, They would then have to vote for a person to receive the award.

The only problem I see with this method at the moment is choosing the nominees for the award in the first place.

I agree that we don't need this to survive, I was suggesting an alternative that feels fairish and less biased than a single person choosing someone to win the award.
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Jesse 2018 on November 08, 2015, 06:54:14 PM
I think if you brag it should be taken away. As awards are as said ment to feel good like yes I accomplish something. But not to brag and say look I have star poster and you don't in the shout box should result in award termination. And that stays for eternity.
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Nefty on November 08, 2015, 06:58:04 PM
I think if you brag it should be taken away. As awards are as said ment to feel good like yes I accomplish something. But not to brag and say look I have star poster and you don't in the shout box should result in award termination. And that stays for eternity.

Once again another thing that needs to be monitored.
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Jesse 2018 on November 08, 2015, 07:12:07 PM
Once again another thing that needs to be monitored.
And to monitor that we need more mods
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Jared on November 08, 2015, 07:14:11 PM
And to monitor that we need more mods
... or we can just make all the bad apples who complain about new rewards, old rewards, and most likely upcoming awards disappear ;)
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Dryym on November 08, 2015, 07:16:36 PM
... or we can just make all the bad apples who complain about new rewards, old rewards, and most likely upcoming awards disappear ;)

By disappear, How far are we talking, Banhammer disappear, Or erase their existence disappear?
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Jack Of Shades on November 08, 2015, 07:21:38 PM
By disappear, How far are we talking, Banhammer disappear, Or erase their existence disappear?

Like, "Mafia" disappear.
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Dryym on November 08, 2015, 07:53:45 PM
Like, "Mafia" disappear.
;) ;) *Nudge *Nudge
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Jesse 2018 on November 08, 2015, 08:30:39 PM
We could always put them in lava.
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: CDJ on December 30, 2016, 12:46:34 PM
Really like the aspect of bringing back the hardly used awards, i also agree with what you said about the capture cards but to be honest, people would not buy a capture card just because of the award, people who do Total Miner content are people who are Passionate about the game, spending $100 on a capture card is a small price to pay if it's something that you are passionate about. If People can't afford one they can just use there phone camera for the recording. The quality may not be as good but i'm sure you can find a way to draw the attention of the audience from the quality of the video to the topic you are talking about. Anyway, glad you are revamping this feature. Once PC version is released expect a lot of content from me.

Sorry i'm over a year late by the way.

- Callum
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: Do u kno de wey on December 30, 2016, 03:24:21 PM
I am going to create a poster for the PC release using my photoshop knowledge, might even create a few  ::)
Title: Re: Some changes to awards
Post by: CDJ on December 30, 2016, 03:26:09 PM
I am going to create a poster for the PC release using my photoshop knowledge, might even create a few  ::)

Sounds awesome, if you need any help just ask, i do graphics design too.